Some thoughts from Gamer_V [STEAM]

[Gamer_V]

Ya know we love ya Ro@m, kinda anyway.

But I disagree that dosgaming is dying.
Really.

Just take a look at the AW sites...
Even STEAM (AAAAAAAAArgh what a shit!) offers dosgames nowadays.
And a fast PC, no problem with dosbox.

Though some AW sites moves bit by bit towards W95/early W98 games, that's true.

Now that's precisely what I like about this site, it ain't all about please get us some more ISOs or such, no , still the smaller and o so funny dosgames are firstplaced here.
Me likes.

Though this discussion has been done lots of times before, I'm still going to argue with you: STEAM is not 'a shit'. Sure, in the days it was new it was buggy, heavy and crashed every now and then. Nowadays, it rarely does that and works just as it should and is a great alternative for buying games, not having to go to the store, accessing your games everywhere, auto patching. Yes, on your pentium 1 120 mhz it might still go a bit slow, but it's not meant for those pc's anyway. On every normal pc it'll run just fine nowadays and it hardly eats up any ram.

I'd go on but I left my pizza in the oven and it's probably burning by now.

Wonders if dosraider'll touch that split button

[dosraider]

Wonders if dosraider'll touch that split
button

Of course, if it wasn't me it would be Larry, and that mad modbot would probably simply delete your post.

And yes, STEAM is shit, only for the fact it ALWAYS run on the background and makes constantly home calls, and don't give me that crap that you can disable that, 99% of the users are simply to dumb to disable it.
Also it adds a shitload of useless reg entries..... and so on and so on ...blablabla.
It's close to malware, and certainly is a form of spyware.

Is it needed? Nope, I have all the games that you can download from STEAM (or most anyway) and no STEAM whatsoever on my PC, oh no sir, not that crap on my PC. Viva el hackergroups, me loves them mates.

[Gamer_V]

It doesn't always have to run in the background, my steam doesn't even start when I boot. You can go to offline mode, it's like two clicks, and even if people are too dumb for that, YOU know it's there so if it really annoys you, YOU can just disable it. It's not like that's necessary. Any game you install, even illegal, adds reg entries, and it's not useless if you use the program.

Furthermore, spyware according to wikipedia: "Spyware is computer software that is installed surreptitiously on a personal computer to intercept or take partial control over the user's interaction with the computer, without the user's informed consent." Which is certainly not what STEAM is or trying to do. I'm informed and I agreed. Don't tell lies about programs just because you dislike them.

Lots of people seem to use STEAM like you, as an excuse to just download games. Which they would probably do anyway.

[dosraider]

Any game you install, even illegal, adds reg entries, and it's not useless if you use the program.

Nope, not even one entry, the games don't need reg entries, really not.
Correct path settings in its own conf files are enough.

Furthermore, spyware according to wikipedia: blablabla.

Since when is Wiki the ultimate truth?

Lots of people seem to use STEAM like you, as an excuse to just download games. Which they would probably do anyway.

Not really, no.
But when I pay for a game, I expect a FULL game, that I can install-remove-reinstall as I wish, I don't want to be dependent from some crummy big money making company. One that WILL shut down sooner or later.

Time for a history lesson:
Half-Life and Sierra online.
Look it up.

STEAM has YOU by the balls, and you let them happily squeeze them.
Once they will have enough of it, they will shut down, and you will be left with squeezed balls.
No?
Look at Sierra online and Half-Life.
Maybe you're to young to know that history, the STEAM predessecor, but you certainly can look it up.
I won't repeat it here, I'm really too lazy to repeat the same over and over again.

A last well meant tip: don't look in juvenile dot com sites, look it up in the more serious tech boards.

[Gamer_V]

Any game you install, even illegal, adds reg entries, and it's not useless if you use the program.

Nope, not even one entry, the games don't need reg entries, really not.
Correct path settings in its own conf files are enough.

Yet all full games nowadays use them anyway. Your life must be hard.

Furthermore, spyware according to wikipedia: blablabla.

Since when is Wiki the ultimate truth?

spyware
n. Computing software that enables a user to obtain covert information about someone's computer activities by transmitting data covertly from their hard drive. - The oxford dictionary
http://www.askoxford.com/pressroom/arch ... w/?view=uk
Not a good source too eh? *sarcasm*

It's per definition not spyware, it's not covertly, it's not sneaky, they're not out to steal your credit card data. Sure, in its base it's there for DRM reasons (still isn't spyware!), but it works, and it works good for the consumers.

Lots of people seem to use STEAM like you, as an excuse to just download games. Which they would probably do anyway.

Not really, no.
But when I pay for a game, I expect a FULL game, that I can install-remove-reinstall as I wish, I don't want to be dependent from some crummy big money making company. One that WILL shut down sooner or later.

You can install-remove-reinstall it everywhere where there is internet ("What if I don't have internet!!1" Well, I can say: "What if you don't have a cd?") Yes, it will shut down sooner or later. But not in our lifetime. Well, certainly not yours. Maybe they'll go down if WW3 breaks out, but then again, we don't have power then anyway. (and for power, you'll always be dependant on some crummy big money making company.)

Time for a history lesson:
Half-Life and Sierra online.
Look it up.

STEAM has YOU by the balls, and you let them happily squeeze them.
Once they will have enough of it, they will shut down, and you will be left with squeezed balls.
No?
Look at Sierra online and Half-Life.
Maybe you're to young to know that history, the STEAM predessecor, but you certainly can look it up.
I won't repeat it here, I'm really too lazy to repeat the same over and over again.

A last well meant tip: don't look in juvenile dot com sites, look it up in the more serious tech boards.

Yes, I know. So? How widespread was the internet then? STEAM is a succes. It has millions of users. It's going well financially and it's expanding to music and film in the near future. See that crappy iTunes? Not going anywhere soon. Time wasn't ready for it then, but now time is. Times change. In the future, most if not all content'll go digitally anyway.

"In het verleden behaalde resultaten bieden geen garantie voor de toekomst."

[Larry Laffer]

DRM is crap! Nuff said.

And don't start with that "In het verleden behaalde resultaten bieden geen garantie voor de toekomst.". People need to learn from past mistakes or else they're gonna make them again. Thing is that even though STEAM might not close down soon(tho' you'll never know until it hits ya), when it does, hundreds/thousands of games are going to become unusable. And that's the major flaw!


Oh, and while dosraider was polite enough to overlook this, I won't: Gamer_V, if you want to say something, you can do so without trying to flame/insult somebody else! So don't do it!


K, now you can resume arguing, I won't butt in unless you give me a reason to...

[CPT Worm]

Furthermore, spyware according to wikipedia: blablabla.

Since when is Wiki the ultimate truth?

spyware
n. Computing software that enables a user to obtain covert information about someone's computer activities by transmitting data covertly from their hard drive. - The oxford dictionary
http://www.askoxford.com/pressroom/arch ... w/?view=uk
Not a good source too eh? *sarcasm*

This is really bothering me. You keep defining spyware, but you're not really making a point. REGARDLESS if STEAM is installed willingly--and even if it says that it will take information about your computer and send it to its servers in the TOS--it still takes information about you and your computer and sends it elsewhere; it's invasive. This is what spyware does.

The fact that bothers about information collection is that it is unethical. If I buy a CD from Best Buy, I can pay with cash. I get my CD, and the only records that are made about the sale. I don't need to give them my CD players specs nor do I need to tell them what I do in my free time. Digital service providers exploit the technologies and the stupidity of most computer users. I understand that producers want to tailor an experience to their users, but they typically use a VOLUNTARY registration process (those who make it necessary to get key updates are a bit unethical themselves).

Now, if you guys can argue this in a civil matter, I will allow it to keep it open. But I'm feeling a lot of anger in these posts, so be advised this thread will be locked if need be. You have been warned...

[dosraider]

spyware
n. Computing software that enables a user to obtain covert information about someone's computer activities by transmitting data covertly from their hard drive.

Yep, as I said, exactly what STEAM does.


And for the other thingies, you're simply too boring Gamer_V.
You're a STEAM fan? Nice for you, enjoy it.

As I said before: your posts belongs on juvenile_n00bs dot com.
You certainly will have more succes on FOK.NL

Please don't post such things on more serious tech boards, you won't last long.
Oh wait, you probably , euuuuu, mean certainly even can't access those tech boards, tssssss, shame. But it also means we are safe there regarding such postings.
LMAO.

Mr.Worm, no need to close it for me, I'm simply out of it.
Moi had it with this useless topic.
KTXBAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.

[Gamer_V]

You're a STEAM hater? Nice for you, enjoy it.


Also, you can pretend you're above all this, but it's not like you're being any better here.


However, sorry if I was being a bit rude up there!

Since when is Wiki the ultimate truth?

spyware
n. Computing software that enables a user to obtain covert information about someone's computer activities by transmitting data covertly from their hard drive. - The oxford dictionary
http://www.askoxford.com/pressroom/arch ... w/?view=uk
Not a good source too eh? *sarcasm*

This is really bothering me. You keep defining spyware, but you're not really making a point. REGARDLESS if STEAM is installed willingly--and even if it says that it will take information about your computer and send it to its servers in the TOS--it still takes information about you and your computer and sends it elsewhere; it's invasive. This is what spyware does.

The fact that bothers about information collection is that it is unethical. If I buy a CD from Best Buy, I can pay with cash. I get my CD, and the only records that are made about the sale. I don't need to give them my CD players specs nor do I need to tell them what I do in my free time. Digital service providers exploit the technologies and the stupidity of most computer users. I understand that producers want to tailor an experience to their users, but they typically use a VOLUNTARY registration process (those who make it necessary to get key updates are a bit unethical themselves).

I keep defining spyware because STEAM is not spyware, despite his claims. It's not unknowningly sending any private data, it's just sending and recieving what's necessary to keep your games running. You can uninstall whenever you want. Yet dosraider keeps talking about like it's sending his credit card data to terrorists.

Also, the hardware survey is voluntary.


I'm not touching the DRM issue with a 10 foot pole (Can't win that one), though it's hard to see that separate from STEAM of course.